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	comments on page 8	I don't think of the mind as an entirely separate entity than the world that gets mediated by artifacts, more that all three are interconnected in a system of activity that co-constructs each. So the mind is constructed through our engagement with the world via 'tools' and what the world comes to be to us is constructed in this way--as are the tools (as in the case with your example of the placebo project). by carey jewitt on 5/14/2003 at 10:25:27 I think there would be more "shen jiao" here, at least for me, if there were more images and stories and illustrations of ideas and it were all less abstract and if it did not jump around so much. I feel a lack of continuity and a jerkiness in the prose which puts me at a distance and which pushes me out. by Ellen Handler Spitz on 4/20/2003 at 14:10:15 I disagree with Norman (and maybe Laurel, I can't tell what she's saying). I don't think that the conveyance of information has yet to provide much to rival "experience" no matter how much virtual reality proponents want to say otherwise. The experience of being engrossed in a movie, for instance is not the experience of being there, it is the experience of understanding the world of the film. There is no confusion of presence. Anyone who has had a dream knows the difference. If he wants to say that we instrument the world so as to make the unperceivable perceivable, I agree. And I will also agree if he wants to say that our choice of instrumentation affects what is there, that is there is no separation of the "information" and the "reality" to which it pertains. The mind is the world. by Simon Greenwold on 4/09/2003 at 17:05:53			+
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